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Kate
August 3rd, 2008, 02:00 PM
Saw this in yesterday's Jersey Journal. It looks like Councilman Fulop may be headed to court to oppose a ch*****ge from the City's lawyer to one of the two initiatives he's backing.


Politicial Insider


Fulop might have known his quest wouldn't be easy
Saturday, August 02, 2008

I t is not easy to put referendums on the ballot in Hudson County - even harder when the earning capacity of elected officials is involved.

Jersey City Downtown Councilman Steven Fulop learned this the hard way. He is trying to put two initiatives on the November ballot. One would limit when and how much vendors who are awarded no-bid contracts in City Hall could contribute to local political campaigns.

The one measure that is getting kicked around would ban City Council members from collecting a council pay check if they hold another taxpaying public job. As "luck" would have it, seven of the nine council members double-dip from the public trough. Fulop's people believe Heights Councilman Bill Gaughn, chief of staff to County Executive Tom DeGise, is taking the referendum as a personal attack.

Once filed, should the City Council fail to approve these initiatives, the city voters would have a shot of making them law in November - if Fulop and company can collect enough signatures to place them on the ballot, and there's the rub.

Fulop claims that after talks with City Clerk Robert Byrne he was under the impression that all that was needed was 1,506 valid signatures of registered voters representing 10 percent of those who voted in the last general election.

Let us skip details and just say Corporation Counsel Bill Matsikoudis' legal interpretation calls for Fulop to file 12,227 signatures - and that he had 10 days to do it.

Either Fulop doesn't have a clue or Matsikoudis is using legal mumbo jumbo to delay a City Council vote on the measures. See you all in court.

What I don't understand is how Fulop finds himself in this situation. His people say they relied on Byrne and were blindsided. Hey, there's no crying in Hudson County politics. One would have thought Fulop and his crew would have covered every contingency. In Hudson politics, the "X-Files" mantra applies: "Trust no one."

He could still luck out. Fulop believes that in a court fight, a judge will pay attention to the case law presented by his legal eagles and says people on the bench have had a habit of allowing candidates and initiatives to go on ballots if they believe the process was followed in good faith.

Since the story came out of how the administration of Mayor Jerramiah Healy managed to block the referendum effort (I guess I should use the word "allegedly," but let's say I forgot), Fulop has received 60 donations and a number of people have asked to join his campaign effort.

Harley
August 3rd, 2008, 02:40 PM
Heights Councilman Bill Gaughn is taking the referendum as a personal attack.

Of course, it's personal. It affects their livelihood. Ch*****ges to a referendum is not unusual, Councilman Fulop should expect more.

Sonia
August 4th, 2008, 04:51 PM
Ch*****ges to a referendum is not unusual, Councilman Fulop should expect more.

I agree with you Harley. Some time ago, we had occasion to research the very same issue, and were told by a legal expert to expect ch*****ges, especially to these referendums. Back then, we understood the law was 10% of the voters in the last general election, which seems to be what Steve is arguing, but it looks like the corp counsel says he has come-up with an exception when it comes to compensation, or pensions. So, it will go to court, and Steve will have to get a fast decision, if he hopes to get the referendum on the ballot for this November's election.

Lenin
August 10th, 2008, 01:12 PM
ban City Council members from collecting a council pay check if they hold another taxpaying public job. As "luck" would have it, seven of the nine council members double-dip from the public trough. Fulop's people believe Heights Councilman Bill Gaughn, chief of staff to County Executive Tom DeGise, is taking the referendum as a personal attack.

Yep,
Gaughan should very well oppose this...it would cut into his fortunes.

He is, in addition to the several Public Paying jobs, a VERY lucrative fineral director and owner of several rental properties.

I am a firm believer that any worker for any public agency should choose the ONE salary he wants...and be paid ONLY that salary. If performing that particualr chosen job is hindered by his other ambitions, he should again be given the choice: do that ONE job right and forfeit the others or forfeit the highest paying and choose "another" career.

Ugly Jersey City politics at play here....FULOP for MAYOR!

Sonia
September 2nd, 2008, 10:47 AM
We have received an email from Councilman Steve Fulop, to share with all residents, concerning the September 3rd special council meeting, and the Pay-to-Play referendum. If you have yet to attend a Jersey City council meeting, this would make an excellent first meeting to watch, better than going to the movies (and it's free). Here's the email:


What: Public hearing on Pay to Play and Final Council Vote (Public invited to be heard)
When: Wednesday, September 3rd, 2008 at 7pm
Where: Public School #4 (107 Bright Street)
(Across the street from the new Jersey City Medical Center)

***NOTE: YOU DO NOT NEED TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK. YOU ONLY NEED TO SHOW UP!

Wednesday, September 3rd, 7 p.m. at School #4 (the new school on Grand Street) is the FINAL call to action and we need your help. We are at a turning point in history made possible by you, the supporters. We need you to attend this meeting and show how much you care in improving the political climate in your government. This could not have happened without you and now you have a chance to tell your council in person what you think.

This past weekend, the lawyers concluded that Mayor Healy's proposal, which tried to dilute our version of the pay-to-play ordinance, is illegal and our ordinance, with all the strict provisions, will now stand for a second reading this Wednesday. This gives the City Council only two choices; they can adopt the petition immediately in its original form or they can reject it again, meaning it will be placed on the ballot for November’s election and the voters will decide. I have no doubt that should the referendum not be adopted on Wednesday, it will be voted in by an overwhelming majority of the citizens at election time.

Now the final stage in an amazing exercise in democracy is upon us. Just think, we proposed this ordinance in a packed city council chamber at the beginning of 2007 (see video at www.stevenfulop.com ) and our elected officials voted it down with seven council members voting against. We did not let this stop us and gathered the signatures for the first ever referendum in Jersey City.

I hope to see everyone there!
Sincerely
Steven Fulop

Lenin
September 9th, 2008, 05:33 PM
FULOP'S Pay to Play BILL passed the council unanimously, 9-0.

I guess those opposed to it wanted to do anything to avoid the referendum which is virtually unchangeable law once passed.