Hillary Clinton Event in Town Square is Postponed

[Sonia]

The Hillary Clinton event, scheduled for 5PM, Monday, July 30,2007, at Town Square Place, has been postponed.

No further information is available at this time.

[Jake2]

Anyone know why Hillary's visit was cancelled? :confused:

[wired]

The Hillary Clinton event, scheduled for 5PM, Monday, July 30,2007, at Town Square Place, has been postponed.

No further information is available at this time.

is it safe to assume the $1,000/plate reception is still happening?

[Lisa]

Here's an article from today's Jersey Journal, which should answer your questions. The rally is off, the reception is on. We can expect Sonia will report on the reception.

Rally bad news, Hill fans

Saturday, July 28, 2007

A public rally for Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., scheduled for Monday in Jersey City has been canceled, according to the organizers.

Clinton, who was slated to appear at Newport Town Square, will still come to town for a fund-raiser, but the rally will be held another time, said Councilman Steve Fulop, one of the organizers.

Fulop said the rally was canceled due to time constraints.

LYSA CHEN

[PTMG]

I guess we're not worthy of being given free time. Why should she spend time in a place where most cannot vote, and those that can will vote for her anyway with 90+% majority.

[Lenin]

Aww, NUTS.

I wanted to shake her hand like I did her husband's.

[Sharine]

Rain and thunderstorms expected tomorrow, so good idea to cancel Hillary outdoor speech in the park.

[Sonia]

Hello All,

PTMG,

Of course we're worthy, however, it's my understanding that she's scheduled to attend two fund raisers today. I'll be in attendance at the Newport reception later on, and will report back this evening. I was told last week that less than 100 people were expected, but that may have changed by now.

[smp9778]

Another perspective on why the public rally may have been canceled.

http://www.politicsnj.com/clinton-nixes-rally-sires-rival-jersey-city-10611

Clinton nixes rally with Sires rival in Jersey City
By Matt Friedman - July 30, 2007 - 2:02pm
Tags: Steve Fulop, John Graham, Hillary Clinton, Albio Sires,
Did Hillary Clinton cancel a public event in Hudson County today because she doesn’t want to take sides in a fledgling Democratic congressional primary next year?

Clinton was scheduled to hold a rally in the shadows of the towers that make up the Newport development in Jersey City, but citing scheduling conflicts, the Clinton campaign called off the public event. She will still attend a $1,000-a-head fundraiser this afternoon sponsored by Jersey City Councilman Steven Fulop, who might ch*****ge Rep. Albio Sires in the June 2008 Democratic primary.


“It would have been a great thing for Jersey City, with thousands of people attending,” said Fulop, who is co-hosting the event with developer Jamie LeFrak, whose family built Newport. The Clinton campaign expects to raise nearly $150,000 at the fundraiser.

Sires and Gov. Jon Corzine are expected to attend the Clinton fundraiser.

One Democratic source, who asked that his name be withheld, suggested that the buzz around Fulop’s possible ch*****ge to Sires caused the Clinton campaign to rethink the public event for fear of becoming entangled in the muck of Hudson County politics. The source said that Clinton’s campaign was worried about whether Hillary would be perceived as endorsing one candidate over another, and thought it was better to play it safe and not turn the fundraiser into a spectacle.

“They don’t want to stir the pot any more than they have,” said the Democrat. “A public event with 2,000 people is very different from a private event.”

While Sires will attend the fundraiser as well, the event is widely viewed as a Fulop production. According to the Jersey Journal’s “Political Insider” column, Sires was not aware of the event just two weeks ago. Still, some may question why Clinton would not want to hold a public rally in a city whose Mayor, Jerramiah Healy, has endorsed her rival, Barack Obama.

A campaign spokeswoman for Sires said she had heard nothing of why the event was cancelled.

“We found out a day or two ago. All I can tell you is that the congressman is happy to welcome Hillary Clinton to the thirteenth district,” said Julie Roginsky, a spokeswoman for Sires.

[Sonia]

smp9778,

I was at the reception today, and Hillary was gracious, warm and positive toward everyone, including Steve Fulop, and Albio Sires. If she was concerned about rivalry between Steve and Albio, it was not visible. In addition, both men conducted themselves politely with one another. Further, there was no preferential treatment by Hillary, who gave no indication of endorsing either Fulop or Sires for any political office. As many of you know, because of ongoing litigation there is not much communication between Steve Fulop and myself, but I did chat with Albio, and he was friendly, charming, and confident. From what I could see, there wasn't any competition going on between these two, at least not at this reception.

The main producer of this event, as I understand it, was Jamie Lefrak and his family, not Steven Fulop. Even Hillary made it clear that her visit would not have occurred, but for the efforts of Jamie Lefrak, as well as Harry and Richard Lefrak. As I mentioned earlier on another thread, most of the people there seemed connected to Jamie, most were developers, real estate people, lawyers, and Lefrak staff. A smaller number of people said they were friends or supporters of Steve. One can imagine Steve Fulop has been sending out a myriad of press releases taking credit for the event, but you shouldn't believe everything you read in newspapers.

The reception went on until after 5:30 PM, which means there would not have been enough time for the rally, in any event. We hope Hillary was pleased with the results, and will come back to visit at a later date.

[Jeremyk]

Sonia,

Out of curiosity, how many reporters were at the reception yesterday? Here's Ken Thorbourne's article from today's Jersey Journal:

Hill takes in $150K from Jersey City visit

Tuesday, July 31, 2007
By KEN THORBOURNE
JOURNAL STAFF WRITER

The public rally was officially nixed, but it happened anyway.

Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton had just finished taking questions from campaign donors at a fund-raiser held at the Newport Financial Center building in Jersey City yesterday when an organizer tapped her on her shoulder and said a crowd had gathered outside.

A rally that was supposed to take place had been officially canceled due to "time constraints" on the part of the candidate, but no one told the well over 500 people who wanted - and waited - to hear from Clinton.

Wearing a gray jacket, black pants, and her trademark wide-eyed grin, Clinton worked the police line, shaking hands and exchanging greetings.

"She will be the next president, the first woman," said Jersey City resident David Medina, who waited over an hour with family members to glimpse the New York senator.

"She is going to bring us peace," added Emelda Medina, David's daughter. "The country needs that now."

The fund-raiser was hosted by Jamie LeFrak, managing partner of the Lefrak Organization, the builders of Newport, and Jersey City Councilman Steve Fulop.

Gov. Jon Corzine and Rep. Albio Sires, D-West New York, attended, as well as Jersey City council members Michael Sottolano and Mary Spinello. Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy, who along with Newark Mayor Cory Booker endorsed Illinois Sen. Barack Obama for president in May, was invited, but didn't attend, organizers said.

"More than anything she comes across as extremely competent," remarked LeFrak, who said Clinton touched on topics ranging from health care, to the war in Iraq, to U.S. global competitiveness.

Fulop called the event "a success on every front."

"She was phenomenal and we exceeded our goal of $150,000 we wanted to raise for her," Fulop said. "We are going to deliver a lot of votes for her and she is going to win Jersey City."

According to a Quinnipiac University Poll completed earlier this month, Clinton has gained ground on former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani in the 2008 presidential race in New Jersey and now trails the Republican front-runner 47 to 44 percent. This compares to a 49 to 40 percent lead by Giuliani on April 19.

[Sonia]

Heard today that the Fulop camp is blaming Albio Sires for getting the Town Square Clinton rally canceled. Complete nonsense. The time constraints were obvious, it was close to 6 PM when Hillary left the reception, there would not have been enough time for both the rally and the reception.

Fact appears to be, these are the same Fulop goons who post defamatory character assassinations about Newport residents on a disreputable bulletin board, run by a Webmaster who was the subject of a police investigation for his abuse of the INTERNET. This same depraved and indecent Webmaster gets his kicks by allowing Fulop's goons to libel young women on his bulletin board, causing the victim extreme emotional distress. Steven Fulop, and his filthy entourage should be booted out of Newport, not invited in for a rally.

[Tara]

Well Mom,

I think we're dealing with people with little fasfoos brains (Fasfoos means tiny in Arabic.) They can't write a grammatically correct sentence, they can't spell, and they can't hold a job. So, they spend their days falsely attacking other people's character, mostly because they are jealous and insecure. I'm getting sick over it, and I think "Tony" should start thinking about picking-up my medical bills.

[wired]

Heard today that the Fulop camp is blaming Albio Sires for getting the Town Square Clinton rally canceled. Complete nonsense. The time constraints were obvious, it was close to 6 PM when Hillary left the reception, there would not have been enough time for both the rally and the reception.

Fact appears to be, these are the same Fulop goons who post defamatory character assassinations about Newport residents on a disreputable bulletin board, run by a Webmaster who was the subject of a police investigation for his abuse of the INTERNET. This same depraved and indecent Webmaster gets his kicks by allowing Fulop's goons to libel young women on his bulletin board, causing the victim extreme emotional distress. Steven Fulop, and his filthy entourage should be booted out of Newport, not invited in for a rally.

FYI Sonia, FACTS don't "appear to be" things. They are, or they aren't. If you "heard" "it" (from an unidentified source), it's not a FACT. It's a RUMOR at best. Without anything to support your allegations, it's irresponsible to call them FACTS.

Good job of Monday morning quarterbacking, Sonia. You certainly seemed thrilled about the idea of the public rally, despite your ex post facto conclusion that it "obviously" wouldn't have worked out. Oh, and it's really classy to trash talk the Councilman a mere two days after attending an event he co-hosted.

A person who claims to have as much integrity as you claim would have skipped an event co-hosted by somebody for whom you have such disdain.

[Tara]

Wireless,

You are clearly unaware of the facts, and have made several wrong assumptions. Yesterday, it was brought to our attention that someone had posted a series of posts, including a character assassination against me, on a different board. My mother read the posts, and realized they were written by someone close to Steve. The posts are filthy, and offensive. It's obvious someone is trying to get revenge against my mother by hurting me. Not only are the statements outrageously false, but it looks like someone is trying to start rumors, solely for the purpose of causing us harm.

It looks like the posts were made after the event. My Mom didn't know about them at the time of the reception, which she attended in good faith. I notice one of the posts was deleted, but we have copies, and Tony will be receiving a cease and desist letter, which he should take seriously.

[Sonia]

Wireless,

I don't have "disdain" for Steven Fulop, but I think his tactics are immature, and unprincipled. Fulop's goons apparently went on a rampage because I went to an event hosted mainly by Jamie Lefrak in Newport for a woman that I admire immensely, and to whose campaign I contributed money. Where do you get the gaul to tell me that I should have stayed away?

[wired]

Wireless,

I don't have "disdain" for Steven Fulop, but I think his tactics are immature, and unprincipled. Fulop's goons apparently went on a rampage because I went to an event hosted mainly by Jamie Lefrak in Newport for a woman that I admire immensely, and to whose campaign I contributed money. Where do you get the gaul to tell me that I should have stayed away?

please explain what evidence you have to substantiate your persistent claims that the *****users posting nasty things about you and your daughter have ANY CONNECTION WHATSOEVER to Councilman Fulop. Oh right, you're not going to, because you don't have to explain any of your actions ever. And because you can't.

And you purport to deal in facts and assassinate the character of your opponents who you allege 'mislead' the public? what a joke.

you're transparent, Sonia. and this is all a *****.



[cue irrational accusation of wired being one of Fulop's "goons", in 5... 4... 3... 2...]



P.S. it's "gall" not "Gaul", just as it's Van Gogh.

[Sonia]

Wired,

Thanks for the spelling lesson. And, you are so right, I don't have to explain anything to you, although I will say one of the posts on the other board is a clear give-away.

Finally, you need not come on this board to argue for Steve Fulop, as far as I can see this doesn't concern you, unless you are Steve Fulop, which I doubt. I never said Steve wrote the posts, but he clearly knows about them, and has not discouraged his friends from pursuing these tactics. As far as I'm concerned, that's enough to make him a participant.

One last thing, how do you conclude I'm Steve's opponent? I'm not running against him for any office.

[Tara]

Wired,

I don't find it amusing to see my character defamed on that disgusting bulletin board. In fact, I was very upset, and stressed by it. Not only are these statements false, but they go against my values. In addition, I suffer from a medical condition that is exacerbated by too much stress, and could possibly even go into a coma from too much stress.

Normally, I don't visit that bulletin board because I know Vivien engages in malicious attacks against me. Are you Vivien? You sure sound like him. You also sound like you want to switch the topic over to him.

My mother is an honest, decent person who has put herself out there because she has strong values, especially when it comes to community. She doesn't have political aspirations. She has been the force behind the Newport Waterfront Association for eight years, and, in all that time has made no attempt to run for office. Your real problem with her, and Steve's problem, is that she hasn't come out to politically support either one of you.

[wired]

[cue irrational accusation of wired being one of Fulop's "goons", or, in 5... 4... 3... 2...]



can i call 'em or can i call 'em?

:D

[wired]

Wired,

Thanks for the spelling lesson. And, you are so right, I don't have to explain anything to you, although I will say one of the posts on the other board is a clear give-away.

Finally, you need not come on this board to argue for Steve Fulop, as far as I can see this doesn't concern you, unless you are Steve Fulop, which I doubt. I never said Steve wrote the posts, but he clearly knows about them, and has not discouraged his friends from pursuing these tactics. As far as I'm concerned, that's enough to make him a participant.

One last thing, how do you conclude I'm Steve's opponent? I'm not running against him for any office.

wow, there's a novel way to reinvent the modern civil law. knowledge of something that one has zero control over makes one complicit? how'd you do in first year torts?

too bad you still offer zero in the way of a connection between the identities of the posters on ***** and councilman fulop.

op·po·nent
–noun 1. a person who is on an opposing side in a game, contest, controversy, or the like; adversary.

so are you saying that Fulop is not an adversary of yours, whether it be the Portside lawsuit?

[Sonia]

Ahh! but the issue isn't so much control as it is an intentional failure to act, and no this is not a civil lawsuit, it has to do more with principle, and the lack thereof. We have no intention of hauling Fulop into court over this, Tony, on the other hand may be another matter.

So Wired/Vivien,

Why try to inject yourself onto this thread, it's not about you. Are you trying to place yourself in the same category as Fulop. If that's the case, then Steve is in seriously bad company. Truth is I have a much higher opinion of Steve than I ever had, or will ever have, of you. So stop trying to take-over the focus. Indeed, I'm going to delete all reference to you from this thread.

The Washington Street lawsuit was brought against the entire City Council, which includes Steve. Although that technically makes the city council my adversary, the members of the council, and their attorney, have thus far treated me cordially and in a professional manner. I do not see this litigation as a rational reason for Steve, or his friends, to malign me or Tara. Besides, by now they should know that harassment tactics don't work with me.

[wired]

Ahh! but the issue isn't so much control as it is an intentional failure to act, and no this is not a civil lawsuit, it has to do more with principle, and the lack thereof. We have no intention of hauling Fulop into court over this, Tony, on the other hand may be another matter.

So Wired/Vivien,

Why try to inject yourself onto this thread, it's not about you. Are you trying to place yourself in the same category as Fulop. If that's the case, then Steve is in seriously bad company. Truth is I have a much higher opinion of Steve than I will ever have of you. So stop trying to take the focus from him. Indeed, I'm going to delete all reference to you from this thread.

ahhhhhhh, there's a shocking turn of events. when directly confronted to substantiate her allegations, Sonia instead chooses to obfuscate (again) and threaten to delete posts. Speaks volumes.

:Tara.badi

[wired]

The Washington Street lawsuit was brought against the entire City Council, which includes Steve. Although that technically makes the city council my adversary, the members of the council, and their attorney, have thus far treated me cordially and in a professional manner.

A shame you haven't extended them the same professionalism.



I do not see this litigation as a rational reason for Steve, or his friends, to malign me or Tara. Besides, by now they should know that harassment tactics don't work with me.

Again, i'll ask (though i know no reasonable response will be forthcoming): what basis do you have to represent to the NWA online community (and everybody else ghoulishly reading this website for fun) that the councilman or anybody associated with him are making these posts on *****? that website is anonymous, you can't prove who any of the users on there are, and yet you go about your business on here, in this thread and numerous others, maligning the councilman by asserting your accusations as if they are FACTS. which they are NOT.

[Sonia]

No turn of events, Wired, same rules as always. You must stay on topic, or risk deletion. Fulop is relevant, but you are most clearly, not.

I can see you are trying to provoke, and incite contention, but I don't have time for your nonsense. My priorities are elsewhere. If it makes you feel better, go back and read the posts, for me, the proof is in the substance, not the name.

How would you know how I've conducted myself in the legal proceeding?